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jack weiner his brother jim weiner

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charlie folks and chuck

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the story which is in two books one is

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called secret life first-hand documented

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accounts of ufo abductions and the other

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is called the allagash abduction spoke

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fasting did any of you believe in ufos

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where you started out at that time

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met samantha what about you you believed

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in them you believe i always believe

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that um we can't possibly be the only

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planet in the universe that has

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intelligent life on it okay

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and

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open-minded open-minded but did you ever

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sit around and say i really believe this

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you just gotta let it go yeah all right

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now you all met with college

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yes arts college

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massachusetts college of art in boston

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okay

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i all decided to go for a good week and

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what happened

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well we

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started out on the trip uh it's a normal

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camping trip landed we had to fly in it

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was a very remote area

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we flew into the lake northern northern

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maine oh yeah way up there okay way

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elegant almost in canada always again

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now something happened the first night

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the second night of the second night yes

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uh we were all camped on a beach um on

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chamberlain lake with a few other

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campers there might have been a dozen or

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14 other campers there

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and we saw a very bright light in the

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sky with that had a reddish cast to it

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to the east and we thought it might have

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been mars right it was so bright

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uh we didn't know what to make of it but

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then it just did something strange it

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collapsed on itself it became inverted

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and closed in like an eyelid coming over

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an eye and then it disappeared okay then

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everything is fine

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and then what happened two days later or

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two nights later well two nights later

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we were at

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a different campsite on a different lake

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it's called uh eagle lake

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and uh we decided that we would go out

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and do some night fishing

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so all four of us climbed into a single

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canoe with our fishing gear after laying

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a big fire so that i knew how to get

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back it was there was no moon that night

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and we had to lay a big fire that would

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last for about three hours and jack was

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you were quite concerned that it was

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going to burn the whole floor that's

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right i remember i kept complaining that

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we almost made the fire too big okay so

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you should find your way back you all

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get in the canoe and we all get in the

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canoe and go out to go fishing how far

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out did you go

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we were about two-thirds of the way

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across a narrow

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inlet where we were

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camping was approximately 300 or so

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yards wide

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and we were about a hundred yards from

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uh the far shore from our campsite

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when uh

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well we were out just you know trying to

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catch a few fish and a little while

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later we found out we were catch of the

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day how what what what physically

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happened what what did you see what came

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down uh it started uh because we were

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getting bit up by mosquitoes and we

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started towards our campfire and i was

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in the back of the canoe and i noticed

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it first i felt like someone was staring

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at me on a subway that's the feeling i

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had i turned around to look over my

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right shoulder and there was a ball of

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light and you haven't been sketching all

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of this yes and this is just a few

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minutes sketch but it it was above the

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lakeshore above the water

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it had a

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a sort of an energy pathway around the

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polar and equatorial sides of the thing

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dividing it into four oscillating

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quadrants of colored light and it looked

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very liquid in appearance and the color

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changes went from red to green to bright

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yellow white

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and they seemed to

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follow this gyroscopic pattern okay let

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me ask you like i don't know why i'm

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messing you jim don't take this person

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you're on drugs no

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but you're drinking just four guys

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absolutely not students are having a

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good time couple of beers no it's not

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allowed to new trip well

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not really

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it's simply not allowed and and when you

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um check in to the to the lake system

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there's a ranger that comes and and you

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have to register and they check you they

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ask you and they look give you a good

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look over and if they do find alcohol or

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drugs you're out without a refund

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absolutely sober okay now you see this

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ball of life

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what came next well we were watching it

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it had no sound we were downwind from it

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no noise whatsoever no worrying no

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humming no purring

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no sound of wind absolutely nothing and

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it was huge it was as big as a two-story

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building perfectly spherical

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people talk to each other did you say oh

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my god yeah we were like holy mackerel

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what is this and we knew that it was

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what we had seen two days before it's

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the same quality of light so at first we

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thought well geez is it a weather

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balloon no it doesn't look like a

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weather balloon it's too big we thought

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well it can't be a helicopter there's no

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noise so i mean we were like geez

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that's got to be a ufo what else could

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it possibly be

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will you fly i mean i would be in that

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water and swimming ashore like

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we had mixed feelings i mean you're

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you're literally awed by this site

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because while you're looking at this

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you're thinking you're going through all

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this thing what is this it's not this

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it's not that sooner or later you come

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to the conclusion well it's got to be a

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ufo

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that part of it is it leaves you

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awestruck i mean absolutely awesome

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well you get you get a little frightened

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too at least we got a little right now

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charlie our truck he

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remained a little calmer he seemed to be

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a little more calm with it all

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so um

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the feelings are mixed well you signaled

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yeah i took the flashlight and flashed

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at it it

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remained stationary after we first saw

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it appear

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above the tree tops

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and we just sat

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looking at it going whoa look at that

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then it started moving as we were

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viewing it to our right and when it

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moved a few yards i picked a flashlight

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up and

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flashed at it at which point it

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had a large light

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immediately hit the water surface and

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both it and the light started

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approaching us now then what happened

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the lights look can you get a picture of

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that the light came down out of it when

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you flashed it right all right and

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approach the boat

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and then what happened we decided we

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could see it just as good from shore as

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we could from

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where we started to get the show right

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and did it follow you yes oh yes it

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came right up behind us

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did it envelop you um well the the light

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on the water behind the canoe and um i

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remember paddling out the side of the

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canoe with my hand because at this point

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we just wanted to get away from you yeah

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and uh suddenly i was looking over my

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shoulder while i was paddling and it was

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getting very very close and it seemed to

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closer than it should be like at one

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point it was way back there and all of a

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sudden it was right behind us and the

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beam of light was coming right up to the

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back of the canoe and at that moment i

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knew in my mind that we weren't going to

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out paddle this light that

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this was it they they were going to get

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us right

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then what happened

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do you remember at that point we have a

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period of of time where we are very

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confused or can't remember how we got to

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shore and how we got the camp the next

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thing you all logically remembered was

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being on the beach

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watching it we took we got to the beach

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we got out of the canoe we turned around

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it was right in front of us and we

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watched it for a few moment moments

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and then it appeared

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implode blink out on itself it was a

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very strange way of doing it it was

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almost like the light goes

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like that and it was at first we thought

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it vanished then we saw it moving up

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through the sky

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and the beam was still going up into the

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sky and it was it was kind of like

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eclipsing almost as if the light was

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going through and like when the moon

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eclipses and phases

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that's the appearance it was and within

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seconds this thing had gone up and

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became a star it moved around to the

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southwest on the horizon and then just

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disappeared out of sight now what about

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the fire you left what

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a few minutes ago you thought a rainbow

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yeah about 20 minutes ago we figured we

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had gone out under the water

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and when we

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walked back to the campsite saying wow

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it was incredible what do you think

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about it

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and uh got up to the campfire

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and said geez you know the fire's out do

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you think we should you know make build

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it up again everybody said now

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now leave it leave it out so

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crashed and turned in for the night

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about that built a fire that should have

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lasted three hours three hours four

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hours or five hours even we had huge

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logs on this fire ten inch diameter yeah

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and they would have burned along

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obviously but did you say to each other

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if it flies out

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that means time no time

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it was it was very strange joan because

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we were all

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we we just had this this feeling of

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being tired and we wanted to go to bed i

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liken it to having a local anesthetic if

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you have an injury to your finger the

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doctor will freeze your your limb and

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you'll become very relaxed and

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unconcerned right and that's the feeling

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we had very unconcerned did you tell

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anybody did you talk about this among

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yourselves and tell everyone go back and

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say you're not going to believe what

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happened with that this light was coming

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after me and i was crazed well the next

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day um we talked about it a little which

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was unusual because you'd think that

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something

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like that we would that's all we would

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talk about but we didn't talk about it

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much we were still kind of in shock from

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it all right and by the end of the next

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day we were kind of coming out of the

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shock and we started to talk among

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ourselves a little bit more and when we

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got to our next campsite

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we signaled a ranger who was crossing

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the lake on the boat to come over

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and when the ranger came over

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we told him about the sighting and what

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did he say

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yeah are you on drugs are you drinking

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he said what i said right did you get

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your going out fellas yeah yeah quick

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main accent he says you know they they

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had this uh opening for a hardware store

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down millinocket and they brought a

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couple of searchlights and they they

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crisscross them in the sky out of a

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batman pickup truck that's probably what

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you guys are so that's kind of now 90

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miles away was millennia and he thought

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that's what it was with two lights

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crossing

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you know john you know like a lot of

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times you can tell by a person's facial

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expressions in their eyes when they're

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lying

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right away that he knew what we were

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talking about and he he was trying to

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to

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commercial let me come back we're going

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to talk about what happened and how you

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all

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years later and we will be back because

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12 years later 12 years later they found

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out that they really were abducted by

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aliens fascinating

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we are back and we are talking with four

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men who underwent a mysterious alien

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abduction uh when they were still going

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to school and now

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12 years later are talking about what

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what happened it started in 1988. this

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happened in 1976 right and then you all

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went back you went to school you got

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married you had lives

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what happened in 1988 that kicked off

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this whole thing what started it all was

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i was being treated at a a local

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hospital in my town for a an epilepsy a

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seizure disorder that i had gotten from

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a head injury i had a very bad accident

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right and i was being treated for that

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and one of the type of epilepsy i have

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is temporal lobe limbic which means

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temporolimbic epilepsy it affects

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oh gosh all kinds of things a lot of

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parasympathetic functions breathing

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heart rate temperature control

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uh

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affects my olfactory

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sense so i smell things i have time

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displacements where i get confused about

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what's happening in the immediate time

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lots and lots of things right

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and this came from an accident that

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occurred in 1978 okay

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and so i was being treated for this and

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uh at that time i was having these uh

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bedroom experiences where i would wake

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up at night and there was

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something in my bedroom that was trying

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to pull my covers off the bed i could

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feel them trying to pull me out of bed i

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would be either totally or partially

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paralyzed i would hear a voice

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next to my ear that sounded like

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something was trying to talk to me but i

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could never understand what it was would

357
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you like to hear what yeah i know

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this is exactly what it sounded like was

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like

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wow yeah

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yeah

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you think if you if i just got a little

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closer i could get it but you never do

364
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but you can't move you feel terrified

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you know there's something in your room

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they're doing something to you and you

367
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can't there's absolutely nothing you can

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do about it and you swear you're awake i

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mean it's one thing if you wake up and

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say oh what a terrible nightmare i've

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just had but when you absolutely believe

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that you're awake during this kind of

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event it really does some serious things

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to your mind right and so uh i got in

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the habit where i wasn't i was afraid

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literally afraid to go to sleep at night

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i was going around the house locking the

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windows i was literally padlocking

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myself into my bedroom because i thought

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whatever it was i could keep it out you

381
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were married this time no no i wasn't

382
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married at this time i'm single and i

383
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was living with other roommates at the

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time in fact charles was one of them

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charlie was one of the roommates i was

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living with charlie and three other

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roommates in an apartment

388
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and of course they noticed i was being a

389
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little strange

390
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and of course i wasn't sleeping my

391
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seizure activity started going up the

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doctors at the hospital started asking

393
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me questions about it well at first i

394
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didn't want to talk about it because i

395
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didn't want them to think i was crazy

396
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well eventually they said well jim if

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you don't talk to us about it we're

398
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gonna drop you as a patient we know

399
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there's something wrong we can see

400
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you're not sleeping your seizure

401
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activity is going up if you talk to us

402
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or you're out of here right so i mean

403
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you know they bit my arm and i had to

404
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tell them but when i told them they were

405
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holy mackerel what do we do now guys in

406
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that case the guys in that case are we

407
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are

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if he isn't we don't know how to deal

409
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with them right so uh but actually the

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psychiatrist that i was seeing who

411
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specialized in the temporal index

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epilepsy was he was a really really good

413
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person not just a good psychiatrist but

414
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a very good person and he said look jim

415
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i'll see what i can do maybe i can find

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someone in somewhere who deals with

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people like you

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and i said okay i would really

419
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appreciate that and

420
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about a week later he called me on the

421
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phone and he said well you know jim

422
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there's a ufo convention being held at a

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neighboring town

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and ray fowler is going to be there and

425
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at that time i believe ray fowler was

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the head of northeast investigations for

427
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mufon

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so he said why don't you go talk to this

429
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guy

430
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uh

431
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i'm sure he'll know who he can who you

432
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can be referred to for help you

433
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:24,399
obviously need it right so i did that's

434
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how i ran into ray fowler i went to this

435
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convention uh and i talked to ray i told

436
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him the story

437
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and he was there um

438
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i think he was lecturing or selling one

439
00:15:38,870 --> 00:15:36,160
of his previous books because he has a

440
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few out and he said to you to what to

441
00:15:42,710 --> 00:15:40,959
have hypnosis he

442
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he that yeah he that's exactly what he

443
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said the thing that tipped him off was

444
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this twin business um you know i mean

445
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what he i he i we told the story and i

446
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said well my identical twin and two

447
00:15:54,949 --> 00:15:53,360
other friends he goes wait did you say

448
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identical twin

449
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and i said yes he said come here he took

450
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me in a side room and made me tell him

451
00:16:04,550 --> 00:16:02,880
everything and why identical twins well

452
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i think this is one of the few cases

453
00:16:08,870 --> 00:16:07,279
that involves identical twins it's also

454
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one of the few cases that involves a

455
00:16:13,749 --> 00:16:11,600
multiple abductions now when they

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hypnotized you they thought you

457
00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:15,279
remembered

458
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around us all of us so they decided to

459
00:16:25,749 --> 00:16:23,519
take all of you and hypnotize all of you

460
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right and you all

461
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remember the same things now we have a

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tape who is the tape of

463
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we have an audio tapers of youtube this

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is one of the audio tapes of you being

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hypnotized we've never heard the tape so

466
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this is going to be interesting and this

467
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is a tape review under hypnosis

468
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describing the beginning part of going

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on

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the the ship i think we hear the tape

471
00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:47,920
no doubt it was a tube

472
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i don't like that feeling it's like

473
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that's what was scary

474
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not

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perceiving

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time

477
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the tube is this is going up there i can

478
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tell it's pretty obvious to me that if

479
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we could look up that tube

480
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whoever was at the other end could look

481
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down

482
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and i was

483
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i was just terrified about what whatever

484
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,559
it was that was in the other end of that

485
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tube wanted one

486
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oh that's heavy now you all began to go

487
00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,000
through this hypnosis okay

488
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what did the two you all went up the

489
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tube this was found out by each one of

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you independently separately they

491
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hypnotized until the kind of same thing

492
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that's right all right now that was the

493
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start of the tube you were taking up the

494
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tube what were you did you all find that

495
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happen during hypnosis

496
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um well the next thing i remembered um

497
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after going up the tube

498
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was um i was aware that i was lying on

499
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my back lying on your back flat on my

500
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back and the first thing i noticed were

501
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my bare feet

502
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and then i noticed that i was naked and

503
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i was wondering

504
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:27,600
you know how did i get naked and where

505
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am i

506
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and it was in a brightly a very bright

507
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room

508
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without any details i couldn't see

509
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anything really

510
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and all i could move were my eyes i

511
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couldn't move any any of my limbs

512
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tied down or just no i i didn't i did i

513
00:18:48,070 --> 00:18:46,000
wasn't tied down i was just laying flat

514
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on my back unable to move the way you

515
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feel sometimes in your dreams right and

516
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when i was i started moving my eyes

517
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around and when i looked to my left i

518
00:18:59,750 --> 00:18:57,360
noticed that these three guys were

519
00:19:01,350 --> 00:18:59,760
sitting on a bench of some kind it

520
00:19:03,029 --> 00:19:01,360
wasn't like a normal chair it was just

521
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some kind of

522
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slab that came out of this haze and they

523
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:07,760
were all just sitting there looking

524
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unconcerned completely naked also naked

525
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also naked do you remember that

526
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i remember certain uh things more

527
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clearly than others and

528
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i remember the inability to see very far

529
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,520
i remember some figures i remember uh

530
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glimpses of my friends

531
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and i remember in one instance i was

532
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able to see

533
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one of the twins the back of their head

534
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the back of their shoulders and the

535
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upper part of their back as it was

536
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turned they were turned to me

537
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and there were figures bending over

538
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one of the twins and inscribing a line

539
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around the shoulder

540
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and underneath the shoulder blade and

541
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then inserting some sort of uh probe so

542
00:19:54,070 --> 00:19:51,600
they were doing medical experiments

543
00:19:55,830 --> 00:19:54,080
let's go for a quick commercial and then

544
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can you remember the medical experiments

545
00:19:59,190 --> 00:19:57,520
now oh yeah you'll see a lot of head

546
00:20:01,830 --> 00:19:59,200
shaking here okay i would rather forget

547
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:01,840
them okay all right then let's forget

548
00:20:05,830 --> 00:20:03,280
them but after the show because it's

549
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:05,840
sweet sweet so uh let's remember that

550
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one more time this week and then you

551
00:20:12,710 --> 00:20:09,840
guys can watch them from your memory i

552
00:20:18,549 --> 00:20:12,720
will be right back with more in a moment

553
00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:21,110
for men about their mysterious alien

554
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abduction

555
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:24,960
medical experiments each one of you they

556
00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:27,280
did something to

557
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:29,679
with probes they took things and what do

558
00:20:32,950 --> 00:20:31,280
they do can you miss that let's go right

559
00:20:34,390 --> 00:20:32,960
down the line let's start with you chuck

560
00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:34,400
do you remember what they did to you uh

561
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,320
i remember they were doing something to

562
00:20:41,029 --> 00:20:38,559
my penis with some sort of a

563
00:20:44,070 --> 00:20:41,039
device

564
00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,080
i no i don't think it i just felt wet

565
00:20:47,190 --> 00:20:46,080
down there like they had taken semen

566
00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:47,200
take it

567
00:20:49,510 --> 00:20:48,400
did they talk to you while this was

568
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:49,520
happening

569
00:20:54,549 --> 00:20:52,400
no no it was like being in a dance uh i

570
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:54,559
was just following through right sort of

571
00:20:58,070 --> 00:20:55,919
like being on this show having the

572
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:58,080
people guide us to the stage right we're

573
00:21:02,789 --> 00:20:59,840
just going along with things all right

574
00:21:04,470 --> 00:21:02,799
what about you joey um

575
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,480
i was uh

576
00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,400
like totally

577
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,720
unwilling to want to be

578
00:21:13,430 --> 00:21:11,280
having things done to me that uh

579
00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:13,440
will you struggle with feeling violated

580
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,120
uh i remember

581
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,720
being extremely uh

582
00:21:24,630 --> 00:21:21,520
upset and wanting to be other places

583
00:21:28,230 --> 00:21:24,640
uh my canoe where i belonged and not

584
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:29,110
i

585
00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:44,400
you can't get away far enough because

586
00:21:48,870 --> 00:21:45,600
you're already laying on your back

587
00:21:51,669 --> 00:21:48,880
there's like nowhere to go nice and uh

588
00:21:53,110 --> 00:21:51,679
these huge black eyes just looked right

589
00:21:55,350 --> 00:21:53,120
into mine and i don't know if you've

590
00:21:58,149 --> 00:21:55,360
ever been in an elevator that suddenly

591
00:22:02,470 --> 00:21:58,159
drops a little bit and your stomach goes

592
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:04,870
my thinking conscious mind just

593
00:22:09,430 --> 00:22:07,840
go right into these eyes

594
00:22:11,750 --> 00:22:09,440
and i was told

595
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:11,760
relax

596
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,559
move

597
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:14,880
you're not in any danger

598
00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,880
well i don't know i there was like no

599
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,880
words

600
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,280
no lips moved it was just like

601
00:22:24,630 --> 00:22:23,520
all of a sudden my thoughts were filled

602
00:22:26,630 --> 00:22:24,640
with this

603
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:26,640
message and it was like

604
00:22:30,630 --> 00:22:28,000
almost like a

605
00:22:31,909 --> 00:22:30,640
sort of like a command and yet

606
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:31,919
uh

607
00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,799
almost for like matter of fact very

608
00:22:38,950 --> 00:22:37,360
matter of fact like a physician says

609
00:22:40,789 --> 00:22:38,960
this needle's not gonna hurt you're

610
00:22:43,669 --> 00:22:40,799
going to feel a little stabbed a little

611
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:43,679
you know what did they do to you

612
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,720
um

613
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:46,960
well as jack said the first thing i

614
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:50,080
remember under hypnosis was

615
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:52,080
looking at my feet and my toes and

616
00:22:56,390 --> 00:22:53,200
thinking

617
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:58,149
and they're like hey you know it's like

618
00:23:01,990 --> 00:23:00,000
my legs

619
00:23:03,029 --> 00:23:02,000
and then i noticed like my chest and

620
00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:03,039
they're like

621
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,720
then i started getting very anxious

622
00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:06,240
about having

623
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:07,120
being

624
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,720
disclosed

625
00:23:13,029 --> 00:23:10,080
and

626
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:13,039
then there was this like panel

627
00:23:18,230 --> 00:23:15,600
that had a similar color to the top of

628
00:23:19,750 --> 00:23:18,240
the table sort of a bluish

629
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,760
glow to it

630
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:21,840
above my chest i could only like see the

631
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:24,640
bottom part which is

632
00:23:31,350 --> 00:23:28,799
very flat and elimin emanating this blue

633
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,360
uh light sort of like a neon blue

634
00:23:35,669 --> 00:23:32,960
remember this happening to charlie i saw

635
00:23:37,430 --> 00:23:35,679
this scene that he's talking about

636
00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,440
the thing over his chest looked

637
00:23:42,230 --> 00:23:39,200
something like the sydney opera house in

638
00:23:44,470 --> 00:23:42,240
australia oh yeah it seemed to be have a

639
00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:44,480
fluted design and it was causing charlie

640
00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,510
it was the most frightening part of the

641
00:23:54,950 --> 00:23:52,000
of the event for me what about the two

642
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,960
of you you actually have scars you found

643
00:23:58,070 --> 00:23:56,720
can you show on camera that they

644
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:58,080
obviously they took some they took

645
00:24:02,149 --> 00:23:59,919
actual questions from you or join your

646
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,159
scars oh my

647
00:24:05,590 --> 00:24:03,840
yeah big score and you never had that

648
00:24:07,350 --> 00:24:05,600
before no

649
00:24:09,430 --> 00:24:07,360
all right and so they must have taken

650
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:09,440
scraping from you well what happened was

651
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,400
is um

652
00:24:14,310 --> 00:24:12,720
this is the result of a lump

653
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,320
that grew there

654
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:16,400
that was removed

655
00:24:22,070 --> 00:24:18,799
and sent to the and and it was sent to

656
00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,080
the armed forces institute of pathology

657
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:24,080
which was not where they told me it was

658
00:24:30,310 --> 00:24:25,279
sent

659
00:24:35,350 --> 00:24:32,549
the national health institute in georgia

660
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:35,360
they said this and late years later i

661
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:37,360
found out that they actually sent it to

662
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,600
the air force institute of pathology for

663
00:24:44,789 --> 00:24:41,840
study wow and what about you you have

664
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:44,799
scars well no what i have on my legs are

665
00:24:51,269 --> 00:24:48,080
patches uh when i was on the examination

666
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:51,279
table i remember them taking these

667
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,039
uh almost flat roundish objects

668
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:56,880
and they put them on the bottom of my

669
00:25:01,590 --> 00:25:00,000
ankle so ever since then i have patches

670
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:01,600
where no hair will grow

671
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:05,039
on both both both legs

672
00:25:07,990 --> 00:25:05,840
yeah

673
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,000
okay lastly before we go to commercial

674
00:25:11,190 --> 00:25:09,600
then we'll be back a lot more

675
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:11,200
how did you all get off the ship do you

676
00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:13,520
remember getting off

677
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:14,720
i remember

678
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:15,760
after

679
00:25:18,870 --> 00:25:16,640
um

680
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:18,880
the medical procedures

681
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:22,320
and after watching charlie and chuck um

682
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,799
being uh march back and forth down this

683
00:25:29,029 --> 00:25:26,559
hallway to wherever they were taking us

684
00:25:31,510 --> 00:25:29,039
to do these procedures they came and

685
00:25:32,789 --> 00:25:31,520
they gathered us all four together and

686
00:25:34,710 --> 00:25:32,799
you're happy to see each other you were

687
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,720
just in a state of shock well no i i

688
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,880
felt actually happy i was happy to see

689
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:39,360
everyone because um at least i knew that

690
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,080
we were all alive then right and so that

691
00:25:47,029 --> 00:25:44,559
made me happy we were all still alive

692
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:47,039
and so uh i remember being marched down

693
00:25:51,110 --> 00:25:49,760
this hallway of some type it was

694
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:51,120
very difficult

695
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:52,720
there were no details

696
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:54,960
and they um

697
00:25:59,750 --> 00:25:57,200
there was some our clothing was there in

698
00:26:00,870 --> 00:25:59,760
a heap and we got our clothing and we

699
00:26:03,750 --> 00:26:00,880
were um

700
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,760
helping each other into our clothing

701
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:05,440
and it was very it was kind of like we

702
00:26:08,710 --> 00:26:07,679
were doing this in our sleeper in a days

703
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:08,720
in a way

704
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:10,880
and then um they marched us into this

705
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:13,840
room where there was this bright

706
00:26:20,070 --> 00:26:17,520
light of some kind coming out of a wall

707
00:26:21,990 --> 00:26:20,080
and then the next thing we knew uh we

708
00:26:24,630 --> 00:26:22,000
were back on the beach and you all

709
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:24,640
remember the same thing it all came out

710
00:26:28,789 --> 00:26:26,880
on hypnosis to each one of you no i i

711
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:28,799
think it was different you know

712
00:26:31,510 --> 00:26:30,080
there were some differences like one of

713
00:26:33,830 --> 00:26:31,520
the things you find with this kind of

714
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:33,840
phenomenon in general and including our

715
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,400
case is that you don't remember things

716
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:39,440
in exact chronological order it's you

717
00:26:44,149 --> 00:26:42,400
just remember snippets okay and so you

718
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:44,159
know we all have these kind of little

719
00:26:47,750 --> 00:26:45,360
snippets

720
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:47,760
that we remember everything else is shut

721
00:26:50,950 --> 00:26:50,000
out probably as far as we can shut it

722
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,960
and so

723
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,960
that's how how we remember everything

724
00:26:56,390 --> 00:26:54,880
it's impossible for us to remember

725
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:56,400
everything in perfect chronological

726
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,559
order being in an automobile accident

727
00:27:03,190 --> 00:27:00,640
you being a passenger what you remember

728
00:27:05,110 --> 00:27:03,200
is a hubcap flying by you where the

729
00:27:07,110 --> 00:27:05,120
driver remembers you know gripping the

730
00:27:09,590 --> 00:27:07,120
wheel and looking at the you know i

731
00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,600
remember being in the back of the canoe

732
00:27:14,390 --> 00:27:11,520
the entire time

733
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:14,400
of witnessing this object come and go

734
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,039
and uh i remember jim was in front of me

735
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:19,360
and his the lower part of his leg

736
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:21,840
leaving the canoe

737
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,120
and that's

738
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:25,039
that was at the shore of the lake and i

739
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,720
i can't remember how he got to the shore